Post by visyolnayarusalka on Dec 15, 2013 20:32:50 GMT -5
Plant Feathers, this is the other part of my response to your post, but it ended up turning into an angry rant, and I didn't want to mar my other thread. I reread "The Lost Plant", and...
(There is some science in this, even during the ranting, but it's just so angry and there's cussing involved and I just felt better making it it's own separate thing.)
Going to "The Lost Plant", I got to page 16 before I started looking for my spiked bat. I remembered it being silly, but I forgot just how... UGH it is. None of it makes sense. Not from a scientific perspective, not from a story-wise perspective, not even from a thematic perspective.
((Angry ranting from here on out. I fucking HATED "The Lost Plant".))
"Negative energy"? "Ten quadrillion times that of the Hiroshima bomb"?? There is no such thing as negative energy! And if it DID exist, that means it wouldn't be an explosion but a vacuum! And do you know how much matter and energy there IS in the universe?? What do you think it does, just sit on its ass? Where do you think babies come from? Because from your understanding of conception and development, we should have been lost to ten quadrillion "ten quadrillion" Hiroshima bombs by now. NO. That's not how life works. That's not how Plants work.
Plants obviously don't exist but if they did even they wouldn't have the ability to spontaneously create anything- energy, matter, babies. What they would actually be, somehow, is basically a living cold fusion reactor. They are provided with raw materials/atoms/molecules and then create what is needed.
For example, let's say you had a Plant programmed to create water. Let's just go with the simplest scenario and say that you have no water but hydrogen molecules and oxygen molecules in a perfect 2:1 ratio. You would run these molecules through the Plant, whose body would then undergo a chemical reaction to break the bonds and rearrange the molecules to water in this equation:
2 H2 + O2 --> 2 H2O
SEE?? Plants don't 'create' water from nothing; they simply perform chemical reactions with what already exists, just like every other living thing on the planet(s).
Going back to babies and why "The Lost Plant" is stupid, the child wouldn't spontaneously come into existence because of "negative energy". That, or NML has a new religion on its hands. NO. The baby would have been conceived by the mother via parthenogenesis and would have developed in the usual way, taking nutrition from the mother's body just like every other mammalian fetus does during development. The nutrients (just a layman-friendly word for the less diet-friendly words sugars, proteins, and fats) would have been broken down and used to build the fetus' body. All using pre-existing molecules and energy.
Fuck, you don't even NEED a cold-fusion reactor to make a baby. Your science is retarded.
Also, for the record, do you know how the balance of energy is maintained in the universe? Through exothermic and endothermic reactions. Exothermic means that heat (energy) is given off, and endothermic means that energy is taken in. It's chemistry 101. Matter is neither created nor destroyed, only transformed. TRANSFORMED. AS IN CHANGING FROM ONE STATE TO ANOTHER. NEGATIVE ENERGY DOES NOT EXIST. LITERALLY, YOUR CONCEPT DOES NOT HAVE ONE IOTA OF TRUE FACT TO FOUND ITSELF UPON. PARASITE EVE WAS A LOAD OF CRAP, BUT EVEN IT HAD ENOUGH ACTUAL SCIENCE TO BASE ITS OUTLANDISH PREMISE UPON TO KEEP ITS STORY GROUNDED IN SOME SEMBLANCE OF REALITY AND MAKE IT ONE OF THE BEST BOOKS/MOVIES/VIDEO GAMES EVER.
...
I don't have many berserk buttons, but apparently "The Lost Plant" is one of them. It's not just the pseudo-science, though. After spending most of my childhood and adolescence loyally following TRIGUN, first through the anime, then through the manga, I was really looking forward to a "sequel" that, at the very least, promised I'd get to see one of my favorite heroes again. My best hope was that the sequel would answer some of the questions the series left behind, or even address some of the issues of the post-battle world.
Instead, we got this, which can only be called TRIGUN because of Vash's brief (and almost obligatory) appearance. We got poor inappropriately timed panty-shots, a chick who only existed for the sole purpose of being the object of said panty-shots, drunken rambling that passed itself off as science (at least Nightow never actually tried to explain anything, knowing this would probably be the result), an exaggerated and less compelling scene where a character begs Vash to kill them, and... I can't even.
This isn't TRIGUN. Not even close. And the betrayal I felt the first time, and the betrayal I feel even now, can't be expressed in words. Vash deserved better than this. We deserved better than this. The story, that fictional world deserved better than this. If this was its own independent one-shot with no ties to TRIGUN, I would shrug it off and say it's not my thing. But somebody had the gall to call it TRIGUN, and that IS my thing, making "The Lost Plant", by extension, my thing. And that... that...
That sucks.
(There is some science in this, even during the ranting, but it's just so angry and there's cussing involved and I just felt better making it it's own separate thing.)
Going to "The Lost Plant", I got to page 16 before I started looking for my spiked bat. I remembered it being silly, but I forgot just how... UGH it is. None of it makes sense. Not from a scientific perspective, not from a story-wise perspective, not even from a thematic perspective.
((Angry ranting from here on out. I fucking HATED "The Lost Plant".))
"Negative energy"? "Ten quadrillion times that of the Hiroshima bomb"?? There is no such thing as negative energy! And if it DID exist, that means it wouldn't be an explosion but a vacuum! And do you know how much matter and energy there IS in the universe?? What do you think it does, just sit on its ass? Where do you think babies come from? Because from your understanding of conception and development, we should have been lost to ten quadrillion "ten quadrillion" Hiroshima bombs by now. NO. That's not how life works. That's not how Plants work.
Plants obviously don't exist but if they did even they wouldn't have the ability to spontaneously create anything- energy, matter, babies. What they would actually be, somehow, is basically a living cold fusion reactor. They are provided with raw materials/atoms/molecules and then create what is needed.
For example, let's say you had a Plant programmed to create water. Let's just go with the simplest scenario and say that you have no water but hydrogen molecules and oxygen molecules in a perfect 2:1 ratio. You would run these molecules through the Plant, whose body would then undergo a chemical reaction to break the bonds and rearrange the molecules to water in this equation:
2 H2 + O2 --> 2 H2O
SEE?? Plants don't 'create' water from nothing; they simply perform chemical reactions with what already exists, just like every other living thing on the planet(s).
Going back to babies and why "The Lost Plant" is stupid, the child wouldn't spontaneously come into existence because of "negative energy". That, or NML has a new religion on its hands. NO. The baby would have been conceived by the mother via parthenogenesis and would have developed in the usual way, taking nutrition from the mother's body just like every other mammalian fetus does during development. The nutrients (just a layman-friendly word for the less diet-friendly words sugars, proteins, and fats) would have been broken down and used to build the fetus' body. All using pre-existing molecules and energy.
Fuck, you don't even NEED a cold-fusion reactor to make a baby. Your science is retarded.
Also, for the record, do you know how the balance of energy is maintained in the universe? Through exothermic and endothermic reactions. Exothermic means that heat (energy) is given off, and endothermic means that energy is taken in. It's chemistry 101. Matter is neither created nor destroyed, only transformed. TRANSFORMED. AS IN CHANGING FROM ONE STATE TO ANOTHER. NEGATIVE ENERGY DOES NOT EXIST. LITERALLY, YOUR CONCEPT DOES NOT HAVE ONE IOTA OF TRUE FACT TO FOUND ITSELF UPON. PARASITE EVE WAS A LOAD OF CRAP, BUT EVEN IT HAD ENOUGH ACTUAL SCIENCE TO BASE ITS OUTLANDISH PREMISE UPON TO KEEP ITS STORY GROUNDED IN SOME SEMBLANCE OF REALITY AND MAKE IT ONE OF THE BEST BOOKS/MOVIES/VIDEO GAMES EVER.
...
I don't have many berserk buttons, but apparently "The Lost Plant" is one of them. It's not just the pseudo-science, though. After spending most of my childhood and adolescence loyally following TRIGUN, first through the anime, then through the manga, I was really looking forward to a "sequel" that, at the very least, promised I'd get to see one of my favorite heroes again. My best hope was that the sequel would answer some of the questions the series left behind, or even address some of the issues of the post-battle world.
Instead, we got this, which can only be called TRIGUN because of Vash's brief (and almost obligatory) appearance. We got poor inappropriately timed panty-shots, a chick who only existed for the sole purpose of being the object of said panty-shots, drunken rambling that passed itself off as science (at least Nightow never actually tried to explain anything, knowing this would probably be the result), an exaggerated and less compelling scene where a character begs Vash to kill them, and... I can't even.
This isn't TRIGUN. Not even close. And the betrayal I felt the first time, and the betrayal I feel even now, can't be expressed in words. Vash deserved better than this. We deserved better than this. The story, that fictional world deserved better than this. If this was its own independent one-shot with no ties to TRIGUN, I would shrug it off and say it's not my thing. But somebody had the gall to call it TRIGUN, and that IS my thing, making "The Lost Plant", by extension, my thing. And that... that...
That sucks.
